ElizaOS Founder Shaw Walters on closing the foundation, the Burwick lawsuit, and why crypto Is failing builders
Aug 8, 2026
Listen or watch all the new CoinDesk podcast episodes wherever you want.
ABOUT
In his first interview since declaring the ElizaOS token dead, Eliza Labs Founder Shaw Walters sits down with CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie to lay out what he says actually happened. He also makes a broader case for why crypto's casino culture is actively driving out the builders who could make the space matter and why he's still coding Eliza every day regardless.
-
Timecodes:
00:00 - Shaw Walters Joins CoinDesk
02:23 - “Why Do People Think I Owe Them Anything?"
06:35 - How AI16Z Started: A $75K Joke That Hit $2.6 Billion
10:49 - Does He Regret Launching the Token?
11:43 - Crypto “Needs to Die And…Be Restarted"
15:34 - On the Burwick Lawsuit: "It Was a Total Scam"
20:40 - Why He’s Still Building Eliza
21:16 - Shaw's Outlook on AI Tokens
-
This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. This interview has been edited for clarity and focus.
EPISODES
Anvil launches SDK as Founders Fund leads $5M token investment
Oct 6, 2026
70% of tokenized assets fall short on transparency, report finds
Oct 1, 2026
Bitcoin’s next supercycle: why a supply shock could send prices soaring
Sep 24, 2026
Circle launched its own blockchain. What happens to Ethereum?
Sep 16, 2026
COINDESK SERIES
24 EPISODES
The Policy Protocol
The Policy Protocol is CoinDesk's regulation and policy show. This is your direct line to the crypto legislative engine, where we pull back the curtain on crypto in Washington, D.C. and beyond.
Apr 9, 2026
30 EPISODES
Public Keys at NYSE
Public Keys is a weekly show filmed at the New York Stock Exchange that explores the intersection of traditional finance, macroeconomics and digital assets. Hosted by CoinDesk Senior Anchor, Jennifer Sanasie, the program delivers a deep dive into how crypto is increasingly shaping – and being shaped by – the public markets.
Mar 16, 2026
1519 EPISODES
CoinDesk Podcast Network
The top stories and best shows in the blockchain world, delivered daily from the team at CoinDesk.
Dec 19, 2023
1398 EPISODES
Markets Outlook
Tune in as CoinDesk runs down action in the crypto market and some of the most important recent industry development.
Dec 19, 2023
