{"id":19745,"date":"2019-07-16T23:07:30","date_gmt":"2019-07-16T23:07:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ci027cfe7a000926c3"},"modified":"2025-01-27T21:43:37","modified_gmt":"2025-01-27T21:43:37","slug":"senate-hearing-facebooks-iffy-reputation-looms-libra-plans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/business\/senate-hearing-facebooks-iffy-reputation-looms-libra-plans","title":{"rendered":"In Senate Hearing, Facebook\u2019s Iffy Reputation Looms Over Libra Plans"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"bsf_rt_marker\"><\/div><figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/libra-hearings.jpg\" title=\"\"><\/figure>\n<p>Today, Libra project head David Marcus testified in front of the United States Senate Banking Committee on Facebook\u2019s incipient \u201ccryptocurrency.\u201d The discussion was largely overshadowed by Facebook\u2019s tarnished reputation for user privacy and the mistrust its business practices have engendered.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Facebook announced Libra <a href=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/articles\/facebooks-libra-is-here-but-it-might-not-be-what-you-think\">a little less than a month ago<\/a>, but the idea of it has already captivated lawmakers and regulators around the globe. From the day of its unveiling, <a href=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/articles\/regulators-are-already-breathing-down-facebooks-neck-over-libra\">officials have raised concern<\/a> over consumer data integrity\/privacy, anti-money laundering (AML), terrorism financing and the fact that Facebook has proposed a de facto central bank not unlike a corporatized Federal Reserve.<\/p>\n<p>But the hearing was the first (but certainly not the last) chance government officials have had to grill a Facebook employee about these concerns to learn more about what exactly they\u2019re dealing with here. Some launched into the usual banal inquiries regarding AML, but they also dove into more nuanced territory of Libra\u2019s implications for antitrust laws and the U.S.\u2019s role in the project&#8217;s development (and the development of the wider crypto industry).<\/p>\n<p>The final result is a cocktail of opinions on Libra (and Facebook), which spans from the viscerally disconcerted to the cautiously curious to the eagerly optimistic.<\/p>\n<h3>Libra Could Deliver \u201cMaterial Benefits\u201d<\/h3>\n<p>Senate Banking Committee chairman Senator Michael Crapo opened the hearing to say that its primary objectives were to address how Libra works, its level of access to consumer info, its commitments to user\/data privacy, how Libra will be managed and how the interaction\/association between Facebook and the Calibra wallet will be structured. Echoing Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell\u2019s reservations when speaking on Libra in his semiannual Monetary Policy Report to Congress, Crapo raised typical concerns about money laundering, how Libra may relate to the Bank Secrecy Act and \u201cways that Libra could threaten financial stability.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/190_image-placeholder-title.png\" title=\"\"><\/figure>\n<p><em>Senate Banking Committee chairman Michael Crapo<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Still, he believes that Facebook\u2019s stated goals for creating Libra, in particular its self-declared philanthropic goal to bank the unbanked, are \u201ccommendable.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf done right, Facebook\u2019s efforts to leverage existing and evolving technology and make improvements to traditional and non-traditional payment systems could deliver material benefits, such as expanding access to the financial system for the underbanked and providing cheaper and faster payments. Still, Libra is still based on a new and continually evolving technology on which it is not entirely clear as to how existing regulations apply,\u201d Senator Crapo said in the opening remarks.<\/p>\n<h3>A Lack of Respect for the \u201cPower of Technologies\u201d<\/h3>\n<p>Others, like Senate Ranking Member Sherrod Brown, displayed a less-than-positive outlook on Libra\u2019s potential.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFacebook is dangerous,\u201d he said emphatically in his own opening remarks. \u201cNow, Facebook might not intend to be dangerous, but certainly they don\u2019t respect the power of the technologies they\u2019re dealing with. Like a toddler who has gotten its hands on a book of matchers, Facebook has burned down the house, over and over, and called every arson a learning experience.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Senator Brown went on to criticize Facebook\u2019s handling of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2017\/10\/30\/technology\/facebook-google-russia.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Russian infiltration of the platform<\/a> to sway voters in the 2016 presidential election, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2014\/jun\/29\/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">its experimentation on whether or not it can manipulate user emotions<\/a> (it can), and Facebook\u2019s failures to curb hate speech and fake news that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/10\/15\/technology\/myanmar-facebook-genocide.html?action=click&amp;module=Top%2520Stories&amp;pgtype=Homepage\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">led to a genocide in Myanmar.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey moved fast and broke our political discourse, they moved fast and undermined our democracy, they moved fast and broke journalism,\u201d Senator Brown raved. \u201cNow Facebook has asked people to trust them with their hard-earned paycheck.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/191_image-placeholder-title.png\" title=\"\"><\/figure>\n<p>\u201cTrust is primordial and we\u2019ve made mistakes in the past,\u201d David Marcus responded. \u201cWe will take the time to get this right. We are fully committed to working with regulators in the U.S. and elsewhere.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Marcus also claimed that \u201cLibra [will not] position itself to compete with sovereign currencies or interfere with monetary policy. In fact, Libra will work with the Federal Reserve and other central banks.\u201d That Libra is strictly <em>not <\/em>a bank was a recurring tenet in Marcus\u2019s testimony. (Udi Wertheimer <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/udiWertheimer\/status\/1151187514100727808\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cheekily pointed out<\/a> that shortly after the hearing, Libra retweeted a <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> article heralding it as \u201ca de facto central bank.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>Notwithstanding Facebook\u2019s (non)status as a banking institution, Marcus said that Libra is working with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN), the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) to hammer out the regulatory kinks, and that he is \u201c[p]roud to have initiated this effort in the U.S. I believe that if America doesn\u2019t lead innovation in digital currencies and payment areas, others will.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Addressing Global Anti-Money Laundering Concerns<\/h3>\n<p>Why, then, is Libra incorporated in Switzerland, a couple of senators queried. Brown, for instance, believes that the \u201cUnited States should establish the rules of the road for Libra and other similar digital currency initiatives.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou\u2019ve chosen to set this up in Switzerland. What did Switzerland offer that the U.S. did not?\u201d Senator Mike Rounds asked.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe believe that a global, digitally native currency would benefit from being headquartered in an international place that is also the home of many respected international organizations,\u201d Marcus answered, reinforcing that it has nothing to do with evading oversight. \u201cThe reality, though, is many of the Libra association members are U.S. entities,\u201d and so will be subject to U.S. jurisdiction, he conceded.<\/p>\n<p>This seemed to satisfy the concerns of senators who were fretting over money laundering and keeping bad actors off the platform. For instance, Marcus emphasized that to use the Calibra wallet, every user must register with a government-issued ID and that the Calibra wallet (and certified, registered Libra service providers) will abide by the Bank Secrecy Act\u2019s travel rule to report information on transfers exceeding $1,000.<\/p>\n<h3>Internal Governance and Privacy<\/h3>\n<p>Other senators, however, were more concerned with Libra\u2019s internal operations. They wanted to know, for example, whether or not it will seek to monetize user data and if this information will commingle with personal user info on Facebook\u2019s social media platform. Such concerns prompted Crapo to recommend that the U.S. implement something like the EU\u2019s GDPR \u201cto give users real control over their own data.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFacebook will only be one of 100 members of the Libra Association and will have no special privileges, [which] means that you will not have to trust Facebook,\u201d Marcus said at one point in the hearing, adding multiple times throughout that neither Libra nor the social media titan have plans to monetize user financial information.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, practice is different than promise, a handful of senators pointed out, as Facebook\u2019s penchant <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/technology-46618582\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">for collecting and sharing user data without disclosure<\/a> has shown.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>\u201cCatch and Kill\u201d: Addressing Antitrust Concerns<\/h3>\n<p>Senator Mark Warner, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.americanbanker.com\/news\/we-are-about-to-be-overwhelmed-by-bitcoin-cryptocurrencies-senator-warns\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">an outspoken advocate for Bitcoin<\/a>, looked beyond the potential for data abuse to the topic of trust busting. His questions, relating them specifically to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Microsoft\u2019s antitrust case with Congress in 2001<\/a>, focused on how much Facebook\u2019s Libra will be committed to free and fair competition \u2014 or how determined it will be to choke it out.<\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/114_image-placeholder-title.jpg\" title=\"\"><\/figure>\n<p>\u201cThe Justice department found that a key strategy that Microsoft used \u2014 which was called internally embrace, extend, extinguish \u2014 the strategy was to find new technology and either copy it or buy it up. I call it \u2018catch and kill.\u2019 It [is] a methodology that Facebook has used extraordinarily effectively,\u201d he said, asking why Libra isn\u2019t just \u201canother manifestation of catch and kill.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe relinquish our control over both the codebase and the network,\u201d Marcus replied, stating that the project is \u201copen source\u201d (Jameson Lopp, who <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lopp\/status\/1140976191182180353?s=19\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reviewed<\/a> Libra\u2019s Github on the day of the white paper\u2019s release, says this amounts to an API standard for developers, who can submit requests but not work on the code without permission).<\/p>\n<p>Warner was particularly interested in whether or not Facebook\u2019s Messenger and WhatsApp applications would support other wallet and services providers. Marcus said that Calibra users can send their Libra to any supporting wallet, a reply that Warner saw as tantamount to dodging the question.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is a nuanced question. If you\u2019re asking if there will be other wallets embedded into WhatsApp and Messenger, the answer is no.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As the hearing drew to an end, senators bounced around questions regarding Libra\u2019s leadership and governance model under the 100-company umbrella that is the Libra Association and what Facebook\u2019s endgame is. Senator Tina Smith, following Warner\u2019s logic, believes this endgame includes swallowing as much wallet market share as possible.<\/p>\n<p>Senator Martha McSally raised the privacy alarm, as well, chastising that \u201c<em>undefined<\/em>nstead of cleaning up [its] house, now [Facebook is] launching into another business model with Libra,\u201d preaching about commitments to user privacy without setting a precedent for actually protecting user info.<\/p>\n<p>Reinforcing this sentiment, Senator John Kennedy asked, \u201cCan we agree that a banker should be trustworthy \u2026 honest \u2026 should respect a customer\u2019s privacy?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes, senator, but we are not engaging in banking,\u201d Marcus responded, a bit ruffled.<\/p>\n<h3>In the End, Do We Trust Facebook?<\/h3>\n<p>At the core of the rhetorical question is how Facebook says one thing and does another, particularly when it comes to its promiscuous mingling of user data with third parties while giving the impression that this info is in a walled garden of only Facebook\u2019s influence. Other concerns Kennedy cited include the Russia infiltration, how senior management <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2018\/11\/27\/18114228\/facebook-russian-data-harvesting-documents-2014-uk-parliment-six4three\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">knew about this infiltration in spring 2016<\/a> but didn\u2019t disclose until fall of 2017, and how the platform\u2019s been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2018\/06\/03\/technology\/facebook-device-partners-users-friends-data.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sharing data with device manufacturers<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>By the end of the testimony, Senator Brown returned to this problem of trust: \u201cAlmost no one in this committee does\u201d trust Facebook, and the company has done nothing to earn it. They\u2019ve mucked up data, so why should we let them control money, too?<\/p>\n<p>This attitude, which punctuated many senators\u2019 remarks, could rightly be summed up by the concluding question in Senator Kennedy\u2019s first round of queries:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cFacebook now wants to control the money supply. What could possibly go wrong?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"youtube-embed\" data-video_id=\"zoEW2pGK_34\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"WATCH: Facebook cryptocurrency chief appears before Senate banking committee\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/zoEW2pGK_34?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Watch the full hearing here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today, Libra project head David Marcus testified in front of the United States Senate Banking Committee on Facebook\u2019s planned Libra \u201ccryptocurrency.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2566,"featured_media":19749,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[1479,1482,652],"class_list":{"0":"post-19745","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-business","8":"tag-facebook","9":"tag-libra","10":"tag-senate"},"author_data":{"id":2566,"name":"Colin Harper","nicename":"colin-harper","avatar_url":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/MjEwMTYzMzc3Njg5ODYzNjQ2-96x96.webp"},"featured_image_url":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/libra-hearings.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19745","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2566"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=19745"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19745\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/19749"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=19745"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=19745"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bitcoinmagazine.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=19745"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}